Very interesting Marc. Thank you. The point about density and constant incremental exposure was particularly of interest and, I believe, very much under-appreciated. As I have written on twitter a few times, the collective is and has been so fundamental to human survival that it would be odd, and presumably contrary to evolutionary theory, if the group was not also a source of protection even in the case of infectious disease. Of course, this is counter-intuitive to all those, including the majority of the modern medical community, who fail to grasp either the complex-systems elements at work here or the extent of nature's protections.
This is the first article I read from you. I found it looking for cross immunity, which is a matter that has interested me since I read a paper almost two years ago in which researchers had detected antibodies active for covid from blood samples obtained before covid started circulating. I seem to recall that the percentage was very high, maybe something like half of the samples showed some sort of cross immunity.
That there has to exist some form of cross immunity was evident since the very beginning, because there is not other explanation of what has been observed, so the paper ringed the right tones for me.
Immediately, I thought that the procedure described could be used to detect your level of cross immunity for covid. You take a blood sample, do a test similar to what was done and if it is negative, you need to protect yourself, otherwise enjoy your only live and don't have unsubstantiated fear.
It could have been a game changer for hospitals and care home workers. It would also have provided much better information of what was to be expected in the early days of the pandemic by having an estimate of the real pool of susceptible individuals and how was it being drained.
But it has not been done and nobody mentions the idea (at least I have not found it). So I had come to the conclusion that the procedure maybe was not really feasible. Your article is the first time I have seen something similar being mentioned, so maybe I was right after all.
It would be great if you could elaborate on the idea on a future article. How would it work, what level of error could have, costs involved, etc.
Great article. What are we going to do about the corruption, lies, and agenda by the drug companies and the political class? Saying sorry we lied our bad is not going to cut it. We need a Never Again campaigm with State and Federal laws passed saying Never Again will we let the medical or political class direct our will or remove our human rights. We need Neuremburg style trials and outcomes. Never Again
Thanks I share the contempt for dishonest companies and governments officials… the plethora of studies showing no correlation between % of population vaccinated and cases or deaths across countries states and counties is evidence that 80 to 90% didn’t need the vaccines.., yet today some people still wear masks, despite no requirement to do so..and flock to get boosters … the MSM has effectively hoodwinked and manipulated so many…
Mr. Giradot. I have a longtime IRL friend, Dr. Michael Eades. Author of many books, including the Protein Power series. He writes a weekly newsletter and has often spoken of this cross immunity thing. Anyway, I sent your article to him today and he replied, "I’m out running around with the fam in Montecito. Flew in for a golf tournament. Article looks great. I’ll read it when I get home. Anything using Abraham Wald’s WWII analysis has got to be good. I’ve been meaning to write about that alone for a while."
Perhaps the most important article on C and the V's since the beginning, and I've read thousands. Anecdotally, I probably had C early in 2020 in north Thailand, having come in via China. No tests available at the time but later, I tested pos for antibodies. I had a couple days of elevated temp, headache, and substantial mucous production which I knocked down with an OTC expectorant, Mucinex thing concocted by a Thai pharmacist for me. All in all, I've had worse hangovers and colds. In this instance, no nasal drip, runny nose, sneezing...which makes me think it was a bit different.
The same reckless, corrupt and incompetent elite are the same gatekeepers of prosecution. I’m not holding my breath but perhaps a few AGs will squeak something through.
I said this coronovirus was a "cold" from day one and was soundly derided by everyone. It is not novel. What is novel is the "me-too freakout" reaction to a common cold humans have lived with forever. People have always died from the common cold. Always. This is nothing new. People have always died from neglect and medical malpractice in hospitals and care homes. That is where all the deaths came from, and increased from normal because of the "freakout."
I am not surprised. I believe I had a coronavirus in early 2019. Had the same type of symptoms as described for what came about at the end of 2019. Loss of smell and taste, infection in my lungs turned in to bronchitis. I’ve never been so sick from a cold - not even close. We were locked down for 2 months and as soon as that was over I went out ever day to dine at restaurants, shop, etc. never got vaxxed, never caught Corona even though I had been around a number of people who had caught it or were around someone who tested positive. I went to hospitals and clinics and nursing homes during this time too. Plenty of opportunities to interact with many people inside and never got sick. Didn’t even catch the typical common cold. A few days I might have felt slightly under the weather, but nothing that a nap and going to bed early couldn’t cure. I also have been taking all of the vitamins recommended by the FLCCC. When omnicron came out I did feel like I was coming down with something so I took ivermectin. Other than having to rest a little and blow my nose a lot I was fine in about 3-4 days.
I wouldn’t be surprised if I had picked up the bad cold in early 2019 when I had visitors from Asia.
Mike - thanks for defending me (NJP) against an attack by Julius Ruechel, who has a lot of knowledge about grass-fed cattle but none about virology.
Your interview in Highwire was superb. You did a great critique of the PCR test. Did you put your comments on the variants in writing? No one came even close to your mastery.
I come from a different field than you and Marc. I am a molecular biologist by training. In my 24 years at the CDC and earlier at the LSU Medical Center, I learned a lot about virology, epidemiology, vaccinology, and Public Health. At the CDC, I created and led the Laboratory of Molecular Reference Diagnosis. Check my profile on scholar.google.com to learn more. I took part in the CDC POIS (Pulmonary Opportunistic Infections Study) and worked in the planning of EPIC (Etiology of Pneumonia in Communities). Especially this second study should be required reading for anyone discussing COVID-19 bizarre claims. I know all and more about PCR testing of nasopharyngeal swabs and of bronchoalveolar lavage (BAL).
Search Google for “New CDC study highlights burden of pneumonia hospitalizations among US adults” to find the excellent Press Release on the EPIC study. The direct link to this Press Release doesn’t work. The results of EPIC are fully described in https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26172429/. The results are devastating to the pushers of the COVID-19 narrative: “However, what’s most remarkable is that despite how hard we looked for pathogens, no discernible pathogen was detected in 62 percent of adults hospitalized with pneumonia in the EPIC study.” This study was completed in 2015. Technology at the CDC labs was always outstanding.
Mike mentioned the statement of Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, Secretary General of the World Health Organization issued in February (?) 2020: “COVID-19 is a new virus to which no one has immunity." It is powerful to see him say that on tape: https://1drv.ms/v/s!AkU0S412KeOUhLAUScAslx3NxhPGLw?e=FBnsW1
This short statement has three lies
1. COVID-19 is the name of a disease and not of a virus
2. It is just another β-coronavirus and not a new virus.
3. There are always some people with immunity to a “novel” infectious agent. Susceptibility of members of a given population to an infection by any infectious agent follows the bell curve.
I became suspicious of the pandemic early, just when the data from the cruise ship Diamond Princess was made public. I found online videos by the absolutely terrorized Japanese Microbiology Professor Kentaro Iwata (search YouTube), who believed that this virus is a new SARS virus. He predicted that all aboard the cruise ship were going to die, just like I thought. How wrong we were! Out of almost four thousand people aboard the ship only eight old and sick people died. Over 82% of people abord were PCR-negative because a very rigorous diagnostic procedure was used. Read the outstanding article on this cruise ship on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_Princess_2019-nCoV_outbreak
Early I questioned the name of this virus as SARS after the dangerous virus that I remember so well. Now I understand that this was justifiable at the beginning, but not after the publishing of the Diamond Princess report. Remember, no one from the crew got a cold.
When discussion of the mRNA hit the news, I already knew a lot about the failure of these vaccines. I know personally some people involved in developing the first humanized antibodies for curing a doctor from Ebola and curing President Jimmy Carter from melanoma. I discussed with them the failure of anti-cancer drugs based on mRNA. I knew that they also failed as veterinary vaccines. In the end f 2019 the mRNA technology was discarded. Moderna was on the brink of bankruptcy. The rest of the story you told very well.
Speaking about Julius Ruechel, he wrote one good article https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/09/the-snake-oil-salesmen-and-covid-zero.html discussing the differences between the strategies of the viruses that infect the respiratory tract and viruses such as smallpox, polio, and measles. Ho correctly points out that in over one hundred years of research no effective vaccine was developed preventing influenza that would be effective in the most vulnerable population with protection lasting more than a few months. I know this as well and was highly skeptical about the claims of Pfizer as well as Moderna that their vaccines offer lasting and highly effective protection. The number reported to the FDA were so small that it was highly suspect that such drugs could get EUA. Moreover, advertisement of these vaccines from the beginning violated the concept of an EUA limitations.
Mike, in the Highwire interview you competently discuss the problem of the incorporation of pseudouridine to improve the stability of the vaccine in cells. Nevertheless, there is another problem that was highlighted by a recent question by EMA to Pfizer. It was found that the mRNA vaccine does not produce a protein of a certain length, but a complex of very many proteins differing in length AND sequence. This is because in the vaccine mRNA the codons were changed to match more human codon-preference. In effect, the mRNA folds differently and may cause ribosomes to wobble and fail in perfect translation. Not surprisingly, vector-based vaccines do not have this problem as no modified nucleotides are used.
And finally, a comment on SARS-CoV-2 testing – both RT-qPCR and antigen. We live in an ocean of billions of viruses, most still waiting to be described, PCR may detect ten viral particles of the Wuhan virus, or even a yet unknown coronavirus infecting some worms while the antigen test may detect thousand viral particles. If the patient had a respiratory infection with one of the over two hundred other viruses, bacteria, or fungi and millions of particles in the mucous they would not be detected. and the infection would incorrectly be recorded as SARS-CoV-2.
Testing should stop and the pandemic will stop shortly afterwards.
an essential contribution to the literature.
Very interesting Marc. Thank you. The point about density and constant incremental exposure was particularly of interest and, I believe, very much under-appreciated. As I have written on twitter a few times, the collective is and has been so fundamental to human survival that it would be odd, and presumably contrary to evolutionary theory, if the group was not also a source of protection even in the case of infectious disease. Of course, this is counter-intuitive to all those, including the majority of the modern medical community, who fail to grasp either the complex-systems elements at work here or the extent of nature's protections.
It never was about Covid-19. It's always been about the vaccines.
This is the first article I read from you. I found it looking for cross immunity, which is a matter that has interested me since I read a paper almost two years ago in which researchers had detected antibodies active for covid from blood samples obtained before covid started circulating. I seem to recall that the percentage was very high, maybe something like half of the samples showed some sort of cross immunity.
That there has to exist some form of cross immunity was evident since the very beginning, because there is not other explanation of what has been observed, so the paper ringed the right tones for me.
Immediately, I thought that the procedure described could be used to detect your level of cross immunity for covid. You take a blood sample, do a test similar to what was done and if it is negative, you need to protect yourself, otherwise enjoy your only live and don't have unsubstantiated fear.
It could have been a game changer for hospitals and care home workers. It would also have provided much better information of what was to be expected in the early days of the pandemic by having an estimate of the real pool of susceptible individuals and how was it being drained.
But it has not been done and nobody mentions the idea (at least I have not found it). So I had come to the conclusion that the procedure maybe was not really feasible. Your article is the first time I have seen something similar being mentioned, so maybe I was right after all.
It would be great if you could elaborate on the idea on a future article. How would it work, what level of error could have, costs involved, etc.
Great article. What are we going to do about the corruption, lies, and agenda by the drug companies and the political class? Saying sorry we lied our bad is not going to cut it. We need a Never Again campaigm with State and Federal laws passed saying Never Again will we let the medical or political class direct our will or remove our human rights. We need Neuremburg style trials and outcomes. Never Again
Thanks I share the contempt for dishonest companies and governments officials… the plethora of studies showing no correlation between % of population vaccinated and cases or deaths across countries states and counties is evidence that 80 to 90% didn’t need the vaccines.., yet today some people still wear masks, despite no requirement to do so..and flock to get boosters … the MSM has effectively hoodwinked and manipulated so many…
Thank you for the kind comment.
Not sure what presscalifornia.com is.
But anything to get the word out.
Mr. Giradot. I have a longtime IRL friend, Dr. Michael Eades. Author of many books, including the Protein Power series. He writes a weekly newsletter and has often spoken of this cross immunity thing. Anyway, I sent your article to him today and he replied, "I’m out running around with the fam in Montecito. Flew in for a golf tournament. Article looks great. I’ll read it when I get home. Anything using Abraham Wald’s WWII analysis has got to be good. I’ve been meaning to write about that alone for a while."
Perhaps the most important article on C and the V's since the beginning, and I've read thousands. Anecdotally, I probably had C early in 2020 in north Thailand, having come in via China. No tests available at the time but later, I tested pos for antibodies. I had a couple days of elevated temp, headache, and substantial mucous production which I knocked down with an OTC expectorant, Mucinex thing concocted by a Thai pharmacist for me. All in all, I've had worse hangovers and colds. In this instance, no nasal drip, runny nose, sneezing...which makes me think it was a bit different.
This will still get you tossed off Twitter and FB…
The flu Vax has been a scam since day one and we knew in 1987 via CDC research and double shot only made things worse.
The same reckless, corrupt and incompetent elite are the same gatekeepers of prosecution. I’m not holding my breath but perhaps a few AGs will squeak something through.
I said this coronovirus was a "cold" from day one and was soundly derided by everyone. It is not novel. What is novel is the "me-too freakout" reaction to a common cold humans have lived with forever. People have always died from the common cold. Always. This is nothing new. People have always died from neglect and medical malpractice in hospitals and care homes. That is where all the deaths came from, and increased from normal because of the "freakout."
Once again, you’ve provided an excellent piece to share with others—thank you!
Truly valuable information!
I am not surprised. I believe I had a coronavirus in early 2019. Had the same type of symptoms as described for what came about at the end of 2019. Loss of smell and taste, infection in my lungs turned in to bronchitis. I’ve never been so sick from a cold - not even close. We were locked down for 2 months and as soon as that was over I went out ever day to dine at restaurants, shop, etc. never got vaxxed, never caught Corona even though I had been around a number of people who had caught it or were around someone who tested positive. I went to hospitals and clinics and nursing homes during this time too. Plenty of opportunities to interact with many people inside and never got sick. Didn’t even catch the typical common cold. A few days I might have felt slightly under the weather, but nothing that a nap and going to bed early couldn’t cure. I also have been taking all of the vitamins recommended by the FLCCC. When omnicron came out I did feel like I was coming down with something so I took ivermectin. Other than having to rest a little and blow my nose a lot I was fine in about 3-4 days.
I wouldn’t be surprised if I had picked up the bad cold in early 2019 when I had visitors from Asia.
To Marc and Mike Yeadon
Mike - thanks for defending me (NJP) against an attack by Julius Ruechel, who has a lot of knowledge about grass-fed cattle but none about virology.
Your interview in Highwire was superb. You did a great critique of the PCR test. Did you put your comments on the variants in writing? No one came even close to your mastery.
I come from a different field than you and Marc. I am a molecular biologist by training. In my 24 years at the CDC and earlier at the LSU Medical Center, I learned a lot about virology, epidemiology, vaccinology, and Public Health. At the CDC, I created and led the Laboratory of Molecular Reference Diagnosis. Check my profile on scholar.google.com to learn more. I took part in the CDC POIS (Pulmonary Opportunistic Infections Study) and worked in the planning of EPIC (Etiology of Pneumonia in Communities). Especially this second study should be required reading for anyone discussing COVID-19 bizarre claims. I know all and more about PCR testing of nasopharyngeal swabs and of bronchoalveolar lavage (BAL).
Search Google for “New CDC study highlights burden of pneumonia hospitalizations among US adults” to find the excellent Press Release on the EPIC study. The direct link to this Press Release doesn’t work. The results of EPIC are fully described in https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26172429/. The results are devastating to the pushers of the COVID-19 narrative: “However, what’s most remarkable is that despite how hard we looked for pathogens, no discernible pathogen was detected in 62 percent of adults hospitalized with pneumonia in the EPIC study.” This study was completed in 2015. Technology at the CDC labs was always outstanding.
Mike mentioned the statement of Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, Secretary General of the World Health Organization issued in February (?) 2020: “COVID-19 is a new virus to which no one has immunity." It is powerful to see him say that on tape: https://1drv.ms/v/s!AkU0S412KeOUhLAUScAslx3NxhPGLw?e=FBnsW1
This short statement has three lies
1. COVID-19 is the name of a disease and not of a virus
2. It is just another β-coronavirus and not a new virus.
3. There are always some people with immunity to a “novel” infectious agent. Susceptibility of members of a given population to an infection by any infectious agent follows the bell curve.
I became suspicious of the pandemic early, just when the data from the cruise ship Diamond Princess was made public. I found online videos by the absolutely terrorized Japanese Microbiology Professor Kentaro Iwata (search YouTube), who believed that this virus is a new SARS virus. He predicted that all aboard the cruise ship were going to die, just like I thought. How wrong we were! Out of almost four thousand people aboard the ship only eight old and sick people died. Over 82% of people abord were PCR-negative because a very rigorous diagnostic procedure was used. Read the outstanding article on this cruise ship on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_Princess_2019-nCoV_outbreak
Early I questioned the name of this virus as SARS after the dangerous virus that I remember so well. Now I understand that this was justifiable at the beginning, but not after the publishing of the Diamond Princess report. Remember, no one from the crew got a cold.
When discussion of the mRNA hit the news, I already knew a lot about the failure of these vaccines. I know personally some people involved in developing the first humanized antibodies for curing a doctor from Ebola and curing President Jimmy Carter from melanoma. I discussed with them the failure of anti-cancer drugs based on mRNA. I knew that they also failed as veterinary vaccines. In the end f 2019 the mRNA technology was discarded. Moderna was on the brink of bankruptcy. The rest of the story you told very well.
Speaking about Julius Ruechel, he wrote one good article https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/09/the-snake-oil-salesmen-and-covid-zero.html discussing the differences between the strategies of the viruses that infect the respiratory tract and viruses such as smallpox, polio, and measles. Ho correctly points out that in over one hundred years of research no effective vaccine was developed preventing influenza that would be effective in the most vulnerable population with protection lasting more than a few months. I know this as well and was highly skeptical about the claims of Pfizer as well as Moderna that their vaccines offer lasting and highly effective protection. The number reported to the FDA were so small that it was highly suspect that such drugs could get EUA. Moreover, advertisement of these vaccines from the beginning violated the concept of an EUA limitations.
Mike, in the Highwire interview you competently discuss the problem of the incorporation of pseudouridine to improve the stability of the vaccine in cells. Nevertheless, there is another problem that was highlighted by a recent question by EMA to Pfizer. It was found that the mRNA vaccine does not produce a protein of a certain length, but a complex of very many proteins differing in length AND sequence. This is because in the vaccine mRNA the codons were changed to match more human codon-preference. In effect, the mRNA folds differently and may cause ribosomes to wobble and fail in perfect translation. Not surprisingly, vector-based vaccines do not have this problem as no modified nucleotides are used.
And finally, a comment on SARS-CoV-2 testing – both RT-qPCR and antigen. We live in an ocean of billions of viruses, most still waiting to be described, PCR may detect ten viral particles of the Wuhan virus, or even a yet unknown coronavirus infecting some worms while the antigen test may detect thousand viral particles. If the patient had a respiratory infection with one of the over two hundred other viruses, bacteria, or fungi and millions of particles in the mucous they would not be detected. and the infection would incorrectly be recorded as SARS-CoV-2.
Testing should stop and the pandemic will stop shortly afterwards.